You know the Legend...
The SPEAR that was cast into Jesus' side (by i believe his uncle) where upon the HOLY GRAIL was offered up to catch Jesus' blood...

Throughout history it has been said that all the great conquerers had possesion of it. Including but not limited to: Queen Boudiccea, various Popes, Napolean, and Hitler...

Is it real?
Did Hitler have it ?
& if he did...knowing his defeat was eminent... had it hidden in the N or S Pole? To be retrieved by the next LEADER?

WHAT do YOU GuyS THINK???
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jennifer
California
  • i believe it resides in the vatican...
    • Greetings D'ner...

      Do you believe it exists?

      I think that it is highly possible that it is in the Vatican...!!!
      ...if it IS real...

      ;o)
      ~Rose...by any other name...
      • Well, It's been a while since I've read anything about this. From what I remember there were 4 different spear head believed to be the "Holy Lance".

        One was on display in Krakow, one at Hofsburg Museum in Vienna, another at Etschmiadzin in Armenia and the final one which is most widely believed to be authentic at Saint Peter’s in Rome.

        Hitler actually did steal a spearhead from Hofsburg after the german annexation of Austria. It was confiscated by american forces in 1945 shortly before Hiltler's suicide. It was then reportedly returned to the museum. (or was it?)

        It is an interesting coincidence that Hitler and the all the rulers before him that came into possesion of the spear that is now supposedly on display in Hofsburg were led dominant, almost unstoppable forces all until, quite literally, the very moment the spear left their hands.

        Hmmm.... Makes me wonder. Maybe Bush does have it. That would explain why a man of his mediocre IQ and bumbling persona could hold so much power over so much of the world. Why he's starting wars on a whim. He's got the magic stick!!! I'm convinced.







        • Hey there...merry meet again!!

          It seems we have read some of the same books! :o)
          What do you think of David Ickes theory of a Reptilian Agenda?...
          At this point...all i know is...
          Anything is possible!

          Some have said that the spear on display is, in fact, bogus and that in the last days of the war, it was hidden along w/ many other artifacts and God knows what else.

          Did you know that Prescott Bush (Grampa) was an international investment banker for Hitler? And in the past year a German Jewish group is suing the Bush family for properities taken/confiscated during WWII? Did you know that the Bush bloodline goes all the way back to the Ramses of Egypt, supposedly? Hmmm....that's a lot of world domination! And lest we not forget Mr. Aleister Crowley's love of the pyramids and spiritual influence he weilded over Hitler!

          Some Say that in fact the tip of the spear is forged of metal from a meteorite...so was it aliens all along?

          Are they us in the future travelling back in time to stop some permanent catastrophe??? Is that what we would eventually evlove into if the planet ends up NUKED!...Big eyes...are they in the dark? no ears? No mouth? Colective mind? OR are they trying to take over our planet and vast resources...like copper for example?

          All that I DO KNOW is this:
          The truth is probably crazier than we ever imagined...

          There's my *conspiracy* theory ...( 1 of them ) ;o)
          ~Rose
          • Ickes' theories, if taken literally, are a little nutz. I'm not ready to buy the whole shapeshifting alien holygram virtual reality deal at this point. Granted, I haven't read alot of his material, so I could be missing something and , like you say, anything is possible. ;-)

            However, if taken metaphorically, I think he's on the right track. I'm a big believer in the Illuminati conspiracy theories. The percentage of world leaders throughout history coming from the Illuminati/Free Mason/Skull & Bones stock is rediculous and can't be ignored.

            Ever read Dr. John Coleman's 'Conspirators' Hierarchy'? (educate-yourself.org/cn/john...i.shtml) It's pretty scary when you consider the direction this society is moving.

            Here's the alien/illuminatti theory I like: The aliens came here long ago, studied our ancestors, enhanced our DNA to increase our brain function, taught us farming, mining and architecture and worked with us to gather resources to fuel their utopian society. They colonized Atlantis and lived in harmony with us for centuries. However, they did not consider our mammalian instinctual need to be the 'alpha male' and the inevitable uprising that it would create. A small group of humans, the genisis of Illuminatti bloodlines, who worked closely with the aliens, formed a union, hatched a plan and destroyed Atlantis with the aliens own technology. The survivors fled the earth because, with their delicate stature and pacifist nature, they do not have the power nor the inclination to fight back. The Illuminatti then disbursed throughout the earth to begin their quest of global domination. They worked dilligently to erase any evidence of alien existence and continue to do so this very day. They need us to think that human race is the superior, most intellectually advanced species or nobody will follow the percieved "elite' of said race.

            The aliens continue to watch over us and try to influence us but will not expose themselves directly to the masses for fear that we will attack, as is our nature.

            Well, that's it in a nutshell. There's alot more to it, but it's late and I'm getting sleepy.

            What do think? It's certainly a bit more feasible than Ickes' stories.







  • Well,

    Your question is based upon a religious theory. Did YeHeShuVah (Jesus) hang on the cross, thereby enabling him to be peirced by the spear? There is a small group of people who have been trained using a US Military intelligence data gathering protocol which was apptly named, "Remote-Viewing". RVing was coined by 'Ingo Swann' and made functional by US DARPA contractor quantum physicist Hal Puthoff of SRI.edu. Remote-Viewers are trained using events through-out history. Events which are well understood yet not well known by public as training-targets. The basic five training targets said to be used by the Remote Viewing schools are:

    Who sank the Bismark?
    Who killed US President John F. Kennedy?
    Did Christ die on the Cross?
    Who built the pyramids?
    Who made Mankind?

    These training targets are used because only Remote Viewers know the answers.

    The Bismark was sank by the Germans,
    Kennedy was assasinated via a 'reverse-hit' by the Cuban Mafia, (Kennedys via US CIA hired Cuban mafia to hit US mafioso members)
    Christ did not die on the Cross, though He did Ascend and came back and married (with children) Myriam,
    Dragons, Drakko Reptilians created the pyramids and the Sphynx as planetary DNA markers viewable from space,
    Humans were DNA engineered by Dragons, using native life forms and Dragon DNA as slaves, then they left us durring the last pole-shift / aka the 'flood'..

    Hitler on the other hand, was a Black Majician, a student of Aleister Crowley. We can see what the dark-side did with Hitler and the world.

    Love

    walt - Central Piller Mystical Qabalist
    Empaths, Telepaths, and Mystical Qabalist moderator
    • we all resonate with unimaginable power...
      creation is a slow process but once started it will continue on its own...
      destruction releases a lot of power but it dissapates quickly and leaves the user addicted to the rush...

      these items, like the spear, can be the focus of some power... but are usually just misused tools.

      ... it is better to tune into the greater growing garden of eden that is our planet... its what we were asked to do, its what we can do best... and the resultant future is more amazing and beautiful than any of our current visible goals.

      fear is the bad use of this wonderful creation... its what the bushs do...
      but it is empty and the users should actually be pitied...
      • artifacts show up... limited research will identify the artifacts with some of its (supposed) last users or owners... also will come speculation and a need for our minds to comprehend the artifacts creation and reason for existence..

        ...so things are found and the stories grow after the finding...

        so the stories will grow with maybe a grain of truth, but a lot of personal justification by the previous owners and speculation by whatever biases come with the current analysts...

        a lot of stories -like the spear of destiny- describe something that may actually be much older ... with probably a much different origin than suspected.

        example... the sphinx in egypt, lots of stories there... but she is much much older than the civilization of egypt. egypt grew up around her and her story is lost to our common modern minds, though she holds an important place in our common understanding of the now...
        ...we need the sphinx to be there as a sort of place holder...
        • Unsu...
           
          wasn't the spear of destiny first discovered when the crusader's were under seige
          it was sort-of placed there then..only the preist was aloud to enter to dig it up based on his vission that it was burried inside the walls
          he retrived it and the troops gained moral and went out to fight the Muslems...
          I like the part to where the the crusareds reported seeing a mulitued of angels on white horses ridding out ahead of them in battle but the key here is...................................................it was sort-of placed there

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